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 Posted on 12-7-2004
 “Indigenous 
                  knowledge is integral”by Azzurra Carpo, Jun 24, 2004
 
 Interview with Alejandro Argumedo, expert in biodiversity
 
 According to the Coordinator of Indigenous Organizations of 
                  the Amazon
 Basin — representing more than 400 indigenous groups (2.5 
                  million people)
 in nine South American countries — there are 5 million 
                  species in the
 Amazon (flora and fauna), of which only 1.4 million have been 
                  studied.
 
 The Amazonian indigenous peoples depend on the control, conservation 
                  and
 development of these resources. Nevertheless, multilateral trade 
                  accords
 and systems of protection of intellectual property try to use 
                  traditional
 knowledge of indigenous peoples to generate exclusive commercialization
 rights.
 
 Azzurra Carpo, contributor to Latinamerica Press, spoke with 
                  Peruvian
 researcher Alejandro Argumedo, associate director of the Cusco, 
                  Peru-based
 Quechua-Aymara Association for Sustainable Communities, about 
                  the
 importance and value of traditional indigenous knowledge.
 
 What is the importance and characteristics of traditional indigenous
 knowledge?
 
 Sixty percent of the world lives from indigenous knowledge to 
                  maintain
 their health and 80 percent of the world — according to 
                  the United Nations
 Food and Agriculture Organization (FAO) and the World Health 
                  Organization
 (WHO) — need indigenous knowledge to survive, eat and 
                  carry out
 sustainable agriculture.
 
 According to the UN Development Program (UNDP), more than 1.4 
                  billion
 people who inhabit the countryside live on less than US$1 a 
                  day. Among
 these people, who are the world’s poorest, the great majority 
                  are
 indigenous people. What do these people live on? Obviously biodiversity:
 seeds, medicinal plants, forests, fish. The access to this biodiversity 
                  is
 essential for daily sustenance, it is a defense against poverty 
                  and
 fundamental for self-employment. Therein lies the importance 
                  of the
 transmission of knowledge on how to conserve these resources 
                  and develop
 biodiversity which is passed on from generation to generation 
                  among
 indigenous peoples. They maintain and recreate these resources 
                  constantly.
 
 Indigenous knowledge is fundamental for maintaining equity in 
                  the
 communities through a system of re-distribution and other local 
                  models.
 Unfortunately, indigenous knowledge is integral and comes from 
                  experience;
 it is a something that we cannot separate or abstract. When 
                  we talk about
 indigenous knowledge, we are talking about a system that is 
                  integrated, in
 which spiritual and cultural aspects are closely linked. This 
                  knowledge is
 the basis of survival of these indigenous peoples.
 
 How would you explain the relation between indigenous knowledge 
                  and
 intellectual property?
 
 Globalization has brought a great international push of the 
                  systems of
 intellectual property. Although in many cases the terms "traditional
 knowledge" and "indigenous knowledge" are interchangeable, 
                  these
 definitions are having an effect on indigenous rights and on 
                  the
 international debate about the access to genetic resources, 
                  the equitable
 distribution of profits and about who has rights to patents. 
                  There is a
 direct link between indigenous knowledge and indigenous rights.
 
 We are against patents on forms of life, against the monopolization 
                  on the
 privatization of traditional knowledge. Bio-piracy is the illicit
 appropriation in the area of agriculture, medicinal plants, 
                  of anything
 that is human genetics, made by companies of indigenous knowledge 
                  and
 associated genetic resources. By doing this, neither human rights 
                  nor
 ethics are respected.
 
 What ethical-scientific problems are derived from biopiracy?
 
 There is an idea that everything published by anthropologists, 
                  historians,
 chroniclers, is in the public domain. Nevertheless, in many 
                  cases of
 indigenous knowledge in the public domain, the communities have 
                  never
 given their previous and informed consent. For example, the 
                  system of
 genetic banks on the world level, botanic gardens that collected 
                  seeds
 without the permission of the communities. And this is not only 
                  taking
 away the genetic material and the plants: is also taking away 
                  knowledge,
 taking away history, taking away the cultural relations that 
                  one has with
 this whole system. Among every indigenous people, on the local 
                  level,
 there are systems and models of distribution of knowledge, systems 
                  that
 regulate how information is transferred, for example, about 
                  a seed.
 
 In what terms is bio-piracy discussed on an international level?
 
 The international regime that is being developed on biodiversity 
                  seeks
 more the commercialization of indigenous knowledge and the associated
 resources, rather than the promotion or protection that would 
                  allow
 communities to maintain their production systems, their health 
                  systems, to
 look for educational systems that are more integrated with the
 environment, that is, the rights that are associated with our 
                  future
 generations. Rather (this regime) seeks how to privatize, through 
                  a
 supposed technical improvement, this knowledge.
 
 There is no international framework for the protection of these 
                  rights in
 a way that reflects the cosmo-vision and character itself of 
                  this
 indigenous knowledge. Neither is there a clear process where 
                  these rights
 can be established.
 
 I believe in the need to change the debate. We should look more 
                  at the
 value that these systems of knowledge have, not look so much 
                  at the
 genetic resources, the environmental services because the management 
                  of
 the ecosystem makes it possible for us to have water, grazing 
                  lands,
 firewood, seeds.
 
    
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